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		<title>By: Britta Lehna</title>
		<link>http://www.missinwine.com/blog/2012/06/biodynamics-and-the-liveliness-of-raw-wine/#comment-1073</link>
		<dc:creator>Britta Lehna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Dear
Caroline, 

 


would you
like to taste our German biodynamic wine? You can find detailed information
about our wine estate www.zwoelberich.de and our range of  wines online
- also in English. Just tell us which wines you would like to taste - Riesling,
Auxerrois, Pinot Blanc or Pinot Noir?  We would love to send you a wine
sampler. Looking forward to hearing from you. 


With kind
regards from Langenlonsheim,


Britta Lehna and Hartmut Heintz,
Weingut Im Zwölberich. Contact: info@lehna-pr.de 


 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Dear<br />
Caroline, </p>
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<p>would you<br />
like to taste our German biodynamic wine? You can find detailed information<br />
about our wine estate <a href="http://www.zwoelberich.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.zwoelberich.de</a> and our range of  wines online<br />
- also in English. Just tell us which wines you would like to taste &#8211; Riesling,<br />
Auxerrois, Pinot Blanc or Pinot Noir?  We would love to send you a wine<br />
sampler. Looking forward to hearing from you. </p>
<p>With kind<br />
regards from Langenlonsheim,</p>
<p>Britta Lehna and Hartmut Heintz,<br />
Weingut Im Zwölberich. Contact: <a href="mailto:info@lehna-pr.de">info@lehna-pr.de</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.missinwine.com/blog/2012/06/biodynamics-and-the-liveliness-of-raw-wine/#comment-1037</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simon, 
thank you for your comment and glad you enjoyed my brief review of the sessions on biodynamic soil life.  I hear you on the topic of ground cover, as indeed this can be what ones sees in the picture - one side has no cover crop and is pretty barren whilst the other side has ground cover and looks green. I have spoken to many a winemaker on this particular topic, and most make the choice depending on the competition for water and nutrients. Very often there is water a little deeper in the ground, and root instinctively seem to know this (or so I am told) hence they will grow deeper IF they are in a way forced to do so. With deeper roots, cover crops are not really direct competition for the plant - in a way they just protect the soil and may add to the diversity of the natural environment. However if a soil has been treated and or irrigated for years, the root system often tends to spread out horizontally rather than vertically. At that time cover crops would be direct competition for vines...

Another way to protect the soil is to work it, aerate it on a regular basis - it is difficult to see on this picture but I don&#039;t think this soil was laboured recently - it looks like it was just treated with very effective form of hard core round up:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon, <br />
thank you for your comment and glad you enjoyed my brief review of the sessions on biodynamic soil life.  I hear you on the topic of ground cover, as indeed this can be what ones sees in the picture &#8211; one side has no cover crop and is pretty barren whilst the other side has ground cover and looks green. I have spoken to many a winemaker on this particular topic, and most make the choice depending on the competition for water and nutrients. Very often there is water a little deeper in the ground, and root instinctively seem to know this (or so I am told) hence they will grow deeper IF they are in a way forced to do so. With deeper roots, cover crops are not really direct competition for the plant &#8211; in a way they just protect the soil and may add to the diversity of the natural environment. However if a soil has been treated and or irrigated for years, the root system often tends to spread out horizontally rather than vertically. At that time cover crops would be direct competition for vines&#8230;</p>
<p>Another way to protect the soil is to work it, aerate it on a regular basis &#8211; it is difficult to see on this picture but I don&#8217;t think this soil was laboured recently &#8211; it looks like it was just treated with very effective form of hard core round up:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://www.missinwine.com/blog/2012/06/biodynamics-and-the-liveliness-of-raw-wine/#comment-1036</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Simon, 
thank you for your comment and glad you enjoyed my brief review of the sessions on biodynamic soil life.  I hear you on the topic of ground cover, as indeed this can be what ones sees in the picture - one side has no cover crop and is pretty barren whilst the other side has ground cover and looks green. I have spoken to many a winemaker on this particular topic, and most make the choice depending on the competition for water and nutrients. Very often there is water a little deeper in the ground, and root instinctively seem to know this (or so I am told) hence they will grow deeper IF they are in a way forced to do so. With deeper roots, cover crops are not really direct competition for the plant - in a way they just protect the soil and may add to the diversity of the natural environment. However if a soil has been treated and or irrigated for years, the root system often tends to spread out horizontally rather than vertically. At that time cover crops would be direct competition for vines...

Another way to protect the soil is to work it, aerate it on a regular basis - it is difficult to see on this picture but I don&#039;t think this soil was laboured recently - it looks like it was just treated with very effective form of hard core round up:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon,<br />
thank you for your comment and glad you enjoyed my brief review of the sessions on biodynamic soil life.  I hear you on the topic of ground cover, as indeed this can be what ones sees in the picture &#8211; one side has no cover crop and is pretty barren whilst the other side has ground cover and looks green. I have spoken to many a winemaker on this particular topic, and most make the choice depending on the competition for water and nutrients. Very often there is water a little deeper in the ground, and root instinctively seem to know this (or so I am told) hence they will grow deeper IF they are in a way forced to do so. With deeper roots, cover crops are not really direct competition for the plant &#8211; in a way they just protect the soil and may add to the diversity of the natural environment. However if a soil has been treated and or irrigated for years, the root system often tends to spread out horizontally rather than vertically. At that time cover crops would be direct competition for vines&#8230;</p>
<p>Another way to protect the soil is to work it, aerate it on a regular basis &#8211; it is difficult to see on this picture but I don&#8217;t think this soil was laboured recently &#8211; it looks like it was just treated with very effective form of hard core round up:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to read about some of the sessions I missed at Raw and Real (had very limited time at both), and I love that picture of the chemically treated versus organically farmed soil. However just to play devil&#039;s advocate, we shouldn&#039;t forget that there are conventional farmers who use cover crops, and organic/biodynamic growers  who don&#039;t. I mention this, because arguably the main differences in that picture is the lack of a cover crop on the chemically farmed plot. Of course I realise the implication is that the soil wouldn&#039;t be that bare without some fairly noxious weedkiller to wipe out everything apart from the vines.

On the subject of biodynamic wines, I&#039;ve had similar experiences to yours - the most amazingly vital, vibrant tasting wines often seem to come from these methods of production. They do of course need sympathetic treatment in the winery as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to read about some of the sessions I missed at Raw and Real (had very limited time at both), and I love that picture of the chemically treated versus organically farmed soil. However just to play devil&#8217;s advocate, we shouldn&#8217;t forget that there are conventional farmers who use cover crops, and organic/biodynamic growers  who don&#8217;t. I mention this, because arguably the main differences in that picture is the lack of a cover crop on the chemically farmed plot. Of course I realise the implication is that the soil wouldn&#8217;t be that bare without some fairly noxious weedkiller to wipe out everything apart from the vines.</p>
<p>On the subject of biodynamic wines, I&#8217;ve had similar experiences to yours &#8211; the most amazingly vital, vibrant tasting wines often seem to come from these methods of production. They do of course need sympathetic treatment in the winery as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.missinwine.com/blog/2012/06/biodynamics-and-the-liveliness-of-raw-wine/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Arnold! I guess I have always been a hippy at heart - or at least so my father tells me :-) 


I think with so many artificial things and gadgets in our lives it is really great to aspire to have at least a more natural food and wine intake. I have never been a fan of the microwave dinners and instant meals - because of their &quot;fakeness&quot; if I can use that word... The same goes for wine - I want to drink something authentic, rather than an alcoholic coca-cola (don&#039;t consume any soda btw)... And I like the the whole harmony and balance approach of biodynamic farming - I like the respect for nature and life itself. Life to me is a git, the most precious one we have, and I feel we have to do everything we can to make sure that the people who come behind us can enjoy it as much as we did...

Wine indeed is a complex product - as there is the farming element as well as the production element - in a way just like food  - unless we just eat raw food... And I do believe like with food we can taste the difference between a meal prepared with organic or home grown vegetables in a simple healthy way compared to an instant mac cheese pack, we can taste the difference in an honest RAW wine produced from vines of living soil with minimal intervention compared to a very commercial and fabricated wine which always will show a certain flavour profile induced by the yeast and winemaker rather than the authentic taste of the fruit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Arnold! I guess I have always been a hippy at heart &#8211; or at least so my father tells me :-) </p>
<p>I think with so many artificial things and gadgets in our lives it is really great to aspire to have at least a more natural food and wine intake. I have never been a fan of the microwave dinners and instant meals &#8211; because of their &#8220;fakeness&#8221; if I can use that word&#8230; The same goes for wine &#8211; I want to drink something authentic, rather than an alcoholic coca-cola (don&#8217;t consume any soda btw)&#8230; And I like the the whole harmony and balance approach of biodynamic farming &#8211; I like the respect for nature and life itself. Life to me is a git, the most precious one we have, and I feel we have to do everything we can to make sure that the people who come behind us can enjoy it as much as we did&#8230;</p>
<p>Wine indeed is a complex product &#8211; as there is the farming element as well as the production element &#8211; in a way just like food  - unless we just eat raw food&#8230; And I do believe like with food we can taste the difference between a meal prepared with organic or home grown vegetables in a simple healthy way compared to an instant mac cheese pack, we can taste the difference in an honest RAW wine produced from vines of living soil with minimal intervention compared to a very commercial and fabricated wine which always will show a certain flavour profile induced by the yeast and winemaker rather than the authentic taste of the fruit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: awaldstein</title>
		<link>http://www.missinwine.com/blog/2012/06/biodynamics-and-the-liveliness-of-raw-wine/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>awaldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Thanks Caroline.

Love to see the way you are being draw into Bio-D and this whole non interventionist approach towards wine.

I had this idea the other day about how this will change and make more interesting wine education. People get food and a natural approach. Wine is much more complex of course but the grounding of it to place and soil and taste is complex but rooted in something a bit more tangible than just the words to describe the taste itself.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Thanks Caroline.</p>
<p>Love to see the way you are being draw into Bio-D and this whole non interventionist approach towards wine.</p>
<p>I had this idea the other day about how this will change and make more interesting wine education. People get food and a natural approach. Wine is much more complex of course but the grounding of it to place and soil and taste is complex but rooted in something a bit more tangible than just the words to describe the taste itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.missinwine.com/blog/2012/06/biodynamics-and-the-liveliness-of-raw-wine/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Arnold!! Yes it is amazing we spend the same time in the same place yet share such different posts:-) That is the beauty of life - that we each have our point of view and that we can learn from each other - see the world from a different angles and take away food for thought from each other&#039;s posts!


You hit the nail on the head - what I really love about biodynamics is the lively and vibrant flavours the wines have... The way I see is biodynamics is a form of organic growing with more focus on balance, however this focus comes from the human making the decision not a certificate that states one farms one way or the other. Through knowledge of a place, it&#039;s micro climates, and all the life around it one can make great authentic wines, providing one grows grapes according to nature&#039;s laws - whether this is organic/bio-dynamic or a combination of both as Fabrice Pouillon and Ben Tarlant do. It is there knowledge of their land, soils, and love for the environment which guides them to farm in a certain way, and make the beautiful wines they do. The same goes for the awesome Jura wines we tasted with Wink on the #jurawineUK evening, or Beaujolais, or James Millton&#039;s wines. I am just really happy that at these fairs I had the opportunity to learn more about biodynamics, and it&#039;s focus on balance within the vine&#039;s universe as well as discover some excellent wines!!
It was awesome to see you and hope to see you somewhere soon - maybe even here to taste some amazing Champagnes :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Arnold!! Yes it is amazing we spend the same time in the same place yet share such different posts:-) That is the beauty of life &#8211; that we each have our point of view and that we can learn from each other &#8211; see the world from a different angles and take away food for thought from each other&#8217;s posts!</p>
<p>You hit the nail on the head &#8211; what I really love about biodynamics is the lively and vibrant flavours the wines have&#8230; The way I see is biodynamics is a form of organic growing with more focus on balance, however this focus comes from the human making the decision not a certificate that states one farms one way or the other. Through knowledge of a place, it&#8217;s micro climates, and all the life around it one can make great authentic wines, providing one grows grapes according to nature&#8217;s laws &#8211; whether this is organic/bio-dynamic or a combination of both as Fabrice Pouillon and Ben Tarlant do. It is there knowledge of their land, soils, and love for the environment which guides them to farm in a certain way, and make the beautiful wines they do. The same goes for the awesome Jura wines we tasted with Wink on the #jurawineUK evening, or Beaujolais, or James Millton&#8217;s wines. I am just really happy that at these fairs I had the opportunity to learn more about biodynamics, and it&#8217;s focus on balance within the vine&#8217;s universe as well as discover some excellent wines!!<br />
It was awesome to see you and hope to see you somewhere soon &#8211; maybe even here to taste some amazing Champagnes :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.missinwine.com/blog/2012/06/biodynamics-and-the-liveliness-of-raw-wine/#comment-1031</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Hank. Biodynamics is indeed a way toward natural - and for the environment to be truly in balance I feel indeed as little intervention (or preps) are needed. However to undo the damage can take a while - and will require more preparations. I think the overdoing of preps is a commercial view - a shortcut to get the get, use and maybe even abuse the biodynamic label. Whilst I agree with you in allowing the healthy environment find it&#039;s own voice - I still much prefer biodynamic treatments to the chemical ones which are mainly used in viticulture today...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment Hank. Biodynamics is indeed a way toward natural &#8211; and for the environment to be truly in balance I feel indeed as little intervention (or preps) are needed. However to undo the damage can take a while &#8211; and will require more preparations. I think the overdoing of preps is a commercial view &#8211; a shortcut to get the get, use and maybe even abuse the biodynamic label. Whilst I agree with you in allowing the healthy environment find it&#8217;s own voice &#8211; I still much prefer biodynamic treatments to the chemical ones which are mainly used in viticulture today&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biodynamics does not equal natural. Biodynamics may be one path toward natural. I find it to be somewhat manipulative, as you are constantly introducing &quot;forces&quot; through spraying of the preps. It can heal a damaged farm, but after the healing, it&#039;s better to stop with the &quot;medical&quot; treatments and let the healthy environment find its own voice. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biodynamics does not equal natural. Biodynamics may be one path toward natural. I find it to be somewhat manipulative, as you are constantly introducing &#8220;forces&#8221; through spraying of the preps. It can heal a damaged farm, but after the healing, it&#8217;s better to stop with the &#8220;medical&#8221; treatments and let the healthy environment find its own voice.</p>
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		<title>By: awaldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>awaldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really informative and sensitive post Caroline.

Biodynamics is a fascinating topic.

On one hand it touches on a deep belief system that guides life in general. On the other, it invariably raises scientific questions about the why&#039;s of some of the tactics. 

What I hear from winemaker after winemaker, life principals aside, is that it works. Yes...the lifeblood of a healthy plant and the place where taste is born is in the soil. And agree or not with Bio-D, the soil when given a chance to be alive, takes care of itself. With some help of course.

And I can taste it. 

The liveliness. The freshness. The sense of place. It&#039;s there. 

I can&#039;t separate &#039;natural&#039; from Bio-D. This doesn&#039;t equate to quality necessarily. But there is something there that has a unique characteristic and individuality without a predetermined taste. Like the glow of something so healthy and alive.Translated to taste.

Thanks for sharing this. 

I really enjoy that you and I spent two days in the same place and share such different but similarly passionate thoughts around a similar topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really informative and sensitive post Caroline.</p>
<p>Biodynamics is a fascinating topic.</p>
<p>On one hand it touches on a deep belief system that guides life in general. On the other, it invariably raises scientific questions about the why&#8217;s of some of the tactics. </p>
<p>What I hear from winemaker after winemaker, life principals aside, is that it works. Yes&#8230;the lifeblood of a healthy plant and the place where taste is born is in the soil. And agree or not with Bio-D, the soil when given a chance to be alive, takes care of itself. With some help of course.</p>
<p>And I can taste it. </p>
<p>The liveliness. The freshness. The sense of place. It&#8217;s there. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t separate &#8216;natural&#8217; from Bio-D. This doesn&#8217;t equate to quality necessarily. But there is something there that has a unique characteristic and individuality without a predetermined taste. Like the glow of something so healthy and alive.Translated to taste.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this. </p>
<p>I really enjoy that you and I spent two days in the same place and share such different but similarly passionate thoughts around a similar topic.</p>
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